Battle of LA 1942 UFO footage a HOAX?
Battle of LA UFO footage a HOAX?
I made a thread on the ATS website January 25, 2012 at 01:55 am, about the new discovered additional UFO spheres in the old Battle of LA UFO footage from 1942, which I think is genuine, but it turns out the old footage may be a hoax? But please read on! The user Arbitrageur posted this comment to the thread on page 1:
“Please provide proof this is footage from the Battle of LA in 1942. Who was the photographer? what is the source? Hint: you probably can’t, because there is no 1942 footage (film) that I know of”, and Arbitrageur is right in his statement, because it seems the only source to the supposed Battle of LA UFO footage, are José Escamilla, which supposely might have made an editing of the clip, to illustrate this UFO event, and then added the CBS radio coverage to the videoclip. So, based on that, the case is kind of weak and we have no solid authenticity of the old clip, if we don´t know for sure, what the source is.
Other comments to my thread you should notice
That image of a “UFO” in the spotlight beams is a fake and has been discussed many times before here on ATS. There was so much shrapnel and ammunition fire that night you could walk across the sky. There is no way something …..anything could have made it through all that fire without being hit. This video only shows shrapnel. They were firing from all over remember…not just one place. ~ webpirate
This thread should really be moved to the HOAX forum. What the OP claims is footage of the battle of LA, isn’t, therefore, HOAX! ~ Arbitrageur
-then Super Moderator comes in and shuts down the whole thread same day January 25, 2012 at 02:50 am, which is 55 minutes after I made the post. Of course, I had to swallow the info against my new discovery before I could respond to the comments, but I never made it before it was closed…
Asking a question on the ATS website
Subsequently, I made another post three days after january 28, 2012, in another Battle of LA-thread on ATS, asking the question about the additional unidentified flying objects in the clip, if it really could be true, that the footage is a hoax, then there appears to be additional UFOs and a cluster of multiple small gray-black UFO spheres in the clip, that is nearly impossible to see or discover, when the clip is seen in normal speed? But it seems that I´ve been ignored for some reason and nobody have answered my questions so far?
My privledges on ATS website removed?
On february 16, 2012, I were about to make a new thread under the category “Aliens & UFOs” on the ATS website, but my privledges to post was removed with the notice “You are unable to post a new topic or reply to current posts, as your posting privledges have been removed.”.
So, I send them an email february 16, 2012, asking them why my priviledges was removed, but I never got a response and I don´t expect it anymore. I wonder why a “question” about a new interesting discovery can trigger a removal of the priviledges on ATS?
Weak HOAX theory
I think their hoax theory on ATS are as weak as the lack of knowledge about the source of the film. If you do not know what you are dealing with, how can you determine anything? You have to let it be as it is, until more info comes up, and as long you can not prove this old movie is real or not, nothing is settled. The claim that the Battle of LA footage from 1942 is a hoax, is therefore completely wrong, and I can not avoid having a suspicion, that the ATS people have some kind of agenda, that seeks to blur one of the largest UFO events in world history…
One should remember, that the military in a press release, claimed they had shot at a weather balloon, which is a very clear proof they hide the truth about the real incident. And I think it was the first time they used the term weatherballoon, and we all know when this terminology is used, it is generally to explain away a UFO event…
The source of the Battle of LA footage
I send an email to José Escamilla on february 18, 2012, asking him for more information about the source of the old Battle of LA UFO footage, and I will of course tell you here if I get a response from him…
And I was happy to see Jose Escamilla responded to my email already February 29, 2012, and I think it´s a very honest reply I got, let me quote him here:
The footage I have might have been taken at Fort MacArthur and it was sent to me on a reel that I purchased from a man in Florida, whose grandfather worked at one of the networks and the video contained moon ufo footage, still photos and this 6 second clip of this object with searchlights and artillery fire on it. We just don’t know if it’s the real thing, but as far as I’m concerned it could be as it looks old and I “certainly DID NOT HOAX” this in anyway. ~ Jose Escamilla
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Mass UFO Sighting New York (analysis)
Check out my new vid “Mass UFO Sighting New York (analysis)“. It´s about the mass UFO sighting in New York October 13, 2010 and is a short analysis of two groups of objects in the raw exclusive CBS UFO footage showing a fleet of mysterious glowing orbs / spheres hovering and floating over New York City. There were something very odd going on in the skies over New York that day, and we got it all on video. Some of the unidentified flying objects caught by CBS cameras, was balloons, but not all objects in the sky was party- and weatherballoons that day…
Mass UFO Sighting New York (analysis)
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UFO Sighting over New York October 2010
UFO over New York via Twitter from @jasondiamond
UFO Sighting over New York made crowds of people stare into the blue sky. This sighting was confirmed by Multiple News Networks, The Intel Hub, Fox News, New York Post, ABC News7, CBS and Daily News New York. The picture to your left was made public “while it happend” by @jasondiamond via Twitter. I made the other three pictures in Photoshop, zoomed them 300%, ran “Auto levels” on the second one and inverted the last one. You clearly see it´s not balloons or weatherballons. The small dots on the following videos (see further below) are not new. These orbs or spheres have been seen for a very long time and were usually known as “Foo Fighters” under WW2…
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The UFO cluster over New York appeared at approximately 1:30 p.m. (daylight / blue sky), which prompted calls to the FAA (Federal Aviation Administration), but FAA stated that “we re-ran radar to see if there was anything there that we can’t account for, but there is nothing in the area.” Some said it was just a set of balloons.
Five glowing orbs travelling together…
Close-up triangle formation with white orbs…
Also see NYC UFO image collages of above picture here… Another mysterious object I tend to analyse in another video soon (subscribe to my RSS feed to stay updated on this post), appeared on ABC News channel, see below…
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Source ABC News: UFO Sightings Stop New York City Also see NYC UFO image collages of above pictures here…
Real UFO´s or just kids balloons..?
I am sure the three small dots from the very beginning in This Video, really IS a set of balloons, cause they are tumbling around each other like balloons would do in mid-air. You may wonder why these three objects, continuously move on together in a tight formation, close to each other, and not break apart? It´s quite difficult not to ignore the balloon-theory here. It could be balloons tied together which fits very well into the story about the escaped balloons from a teacher’s engagement party at Westchester elementary school in Chelsea, NY. There were reports about other events that day where balloons were released in the air, so we cannot ignore this. With help from a critical voice on youtube, I found this spanish article “Nueva York confunde con ovnis los globos de la Gran Vía” showing the yellow balloons that was seen over NYC before they were released – see this video or go here for a nice little image collage (scroll down to the bottom). But don´t hesiate, there is more to the story than just kids balloons. There were something very odd going on in the skies over New York City that day, and we got it all on video. Some of the objects caught by CBS cameras, could be balloons, but not all objects in the sky was party- or weatherballoons that day. When you study the video Mass UFO Sighting New York (analysis) or UFO Sighting New York October 2010, you will see two groups of objects with three shiny orbs / spheres in each group. The first group (object 1) was the three objects I just mentioned above that I think is balloons. The second group (object 2), is very interesting and you should focus on that group. They appear not to be balloons at all and seem to be controlled by some force, extraterrestrial intelligence, aliens or not, some force is behind here, period. Where the first group (Object 1) seem to rotate / tumble without control, the second group (Object 2) seems far more controlled and strict in it´s behaviour. After my observation, object 2 appear to rotate a bit, not tumble really, in the start of the sequence and after a while, they simply increase the distance between each other, with one in the bottom and two in the top as seen from the camera position. So, they are going from a close formation with short distance to each other to a wide formation with long distance to each other. If you see the 2400% video speed repeats of the objects movements, you´ll notice, that the increase in distance happens suddenly, like they just decides to increase the distance and then decides to stop increasing the distance and stay in their new fixed formation. All that seems to happen without any further changes to their formation setup, but when you look at the footage in high speed, you´ll notice the triangle formation they create in the sky, leans very slowly to the right. I think we can dismiss the theory about weatherballoons, because FAA spokesman Jim Peters told us, that if the objects were weather balloons, “his agency had no prior notification they’d be launched”, so we may suppose, that no weatherballons were in the sky over New York that day. But ordinary balloons, both party- and corporate balloons were released different places in New York city, that is a fact. I made a new but shorter video about the UFO Sighting over New York October 13, 2010, with better music, better video editing and nice illustrations, enjoy… Could we actually be looking at a subtle airshow created by warm upwinds from the city below, carrying three balloons in same direction with the exact same speed? Yes, it is possible but highly unusual. Actually, we´re talking about not three but five unidentified flying objects (or balloons) in parallel formation and they move together in the same direction with the same speed, as seen from the CBS camera position. I found this short sequence in the CBS raw footage from october 13, 2010 with the camera steady, pointing at the five UFO´s for a total length of 7 seconds and 20 milliseconds repeated several times, showing how they move together, see below: For those who want to study the weather conditions for New York October 13, 2010, can go to www.wunderground.com and see, if these white orbs did fly the same direction as the wind blew (NE / NNE). These white glowing orbs/spheres have not only been seen from the ground but in space too, filmed by crews on different shuttle missions. A video from usanewsnetwork on Youtube uploaded september 25, 2006, shows three white glowing UFO´s rotating slowly beneath the Atlantis shuttle on the STS-115 mission (launched from Kennedy Space Center September 9, 2006). NASA explain it is space debris, but here we´re looking at three objects flying in a perfect triangle formation, moving in orbit together with the shuttle while they slowly rotate, see below: Another awesome video uploaded late 2008, this time in infrared (IR), shows a UFO fleet with several objects traveling parallel to the ground in a formation manner. Note there is two coupled objects which appear to fly together as a pair, see below: If you wanna see a massive UFO display over a principal city, this one is for you – hundreds, if not thousands of white discs/orbs in an overwhelming big formation over Bronx New York in late 2007. Please notice the plane passing by at 1:24 in the video and then imagine how big these “birds” would be, if they came down to the same altitude as the plane, see below: See more UFO Fleets here and go check Martyn Stubbs NASA UFO Video Archieve too…
New York UFO Fleet predicted by retired NORAD officer?
The mass UFO sighting over Manhattan, New York, came as no surprise to retired NORAD officer Stanley A. Fulham, whose book Challenges of Change
News Coverage
The Intel Hub, October 13, 2010 …”Today reports of UFO activity over New York City went ultra viral. Twitter erupted with reports of numerous unknown objects in the sky. This story has gone so viral that ABC and The New York Daily News are now reporting on it. We should remain skeptical as to the origins of this sighting until proof is put forward”…. Link: UFO Sightings in New York As Crowds of People Stare Into The Sky. Confirmed by Multiple News Networks CBS New York, October 13, 2010 …”Police, Media, Onlookers Try To Figure Out Weird Objects”… Link: New Yorkers Mistake Balloons For UFOs? New York Post, October 13, 2010 …”Callers began phoning the NYPD and Federal Aviation Administration at 1:30 p.m. with reports of the strange, silver objects high in the sky. Some people saw something described as yellow with blue lights surrounding it,” said FAA spokesman Jim Peters. He added that if the objects were weather balloons — as some suggested — his agency had no prior notification they’d be launched”… Link: Objects over Chelsea cause UFO stir ABC News 7, October 13, 2010 Mystery in the sky – Jeff Peguis reports from Chelsea Manhattan (eyewitness news) Link: Mystery In The Sky Daily News NY, October 13, 2010 …”It’s been hovering there for a while. I’m just kind of baffled,” said Joseph Torres, 49, of Dyker Heights, Brooklyn, who spotted the object after leaving a movie. “How can it be ordinary? There is something going on”… Link: Mystery shiny objects floating over Manhattan spark UFO frenzy Huffington Post, October 13, 2010 …”New Yorkers are certainly a savvy bunch, which is why it’s surprising that there is a lot of chatter on Twitter right now about an alleged UFO sighting in the city. While there’s been no documentation, it hasn’t stopped thousands of twitterers from postulating”… Link: New York City UFO Sighting? Mystery Object Provokes Rash Of Internet Speculation My FOX New York, October 14, 2010 …”Some people saw something described as yellow with blue lights surrounding it,” FAA spokesman Jim Peters told the Post. “Every once in a while you get phone calls from people who see something they can’t explain”… Link: UFO Sightings Over Manhattan Chicago Tribune, October 14, 2010 Although officials could not confirm what the celestial objects were, skeptics believed the balloons were part of a tourism promotion event held on Broadway in Times Square for the centennial of the Madrid’s Gran Via on Wednesday, which included the release of several bunches of yellow balloons into the sky. Link: UFOs Spotted Over NYC Prompt Panic, 911 Calls Execte News, October 14, 2010 …”With all of the excitement, there is little doubt that New Yorkers are hanging out outside tonight more than usual, peering in the space, hoping to see SOMETHING….anything.”… Link: UFOs spotted over Manhattan this afternoon? news.com.au/world, October 15, 2010 …”The mysterious balls of light stopped traffic and sparked an alien scare as hundreds of New Yorkers gawped at the hovering globes on Wednesday”… Link: UFO panic that stopped the Big Apple dailymail.co.uk, October 20, 2010 …”First New York was gripped by sightings of UFOs in the sky last week. The fears were quickly debunked by the claim that the ‘UFOs’ were actually balloons released from a nearby school. But this weekend lights forming a mirror image of the pattern seen in the sky over New York have been seen in El Paso, Texas”… Link: They said the ‘UFO’ over New York was just balloons… so how do they explain the mirror image over El Paso?
Videos
- UFO Sighting NYC October 13, 2010 – the crowd (October 13, 2010)
- UFO over New York City – Project Bluebeam in action (October 13, 2010)
- UFOs Over NYC 10/13/10 (October 13, 2010)
- ‘UFO’ Sightings Over Manhattan reported already 9:30 (October 13, 2010)
- UFO Ships Hovering Over NYC October 13 2010 (this is balloons) (October 13, 2010)
- Cameras Capture UFO Hovering Over NYC (October 13, 2010)
- UFO in NYC: Aliens or balloons in New York sky? (October 14, 2010)
- NYC UFO: Just a Bunch of Balloons? (October 15, 2010)
- UFOs New York City RAW video footage from October 13, 2010 (HD) (October 15, 2010)
Other sources about the New York UFO Sighting
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The Case for NASA UFOs (DVD) |
Secret NASA Transmissions: Martyn Stubbs Live At Leeds University (VHS) | The Secret NASA Transmissions – The Smoking Gun (4x DVD) |
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